Hands Off Hartlebury Common
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The Common doesn't need managing but to be left alone as it used to be - and a very pleasant and attractive place it was to visit. But now we have so many interfering busybodies, brainwashed at university and by the Left-wing media who think that Nature and the climate must be controlled by mere mortals.
The climate has always changed and always will. If global warming is taking place it's because we're still coming out of an ice age. Just pray the next one doesn't hit us while we're still here.
In the meantime, I suppose we can expect to see a useless wind farm in place of those trees planted in the 1950s by the school children.
By the way, fixing the spelling errors, etc, might lend a bit more authority to the petition.
Graham Llewellyn
Re: FORGERY
#1725: steve mccarron - FORGERY
I wish you well with your cause. Your last post must be good news for the Common! Sadly though Hartlebury is the thin end of the wedge regarding this national obsession with heathland restoration/creation and the myth that is conservation grazing. It seems to be an unstoppable juggernaut which has destroyed and is destroying many natural and loved places in England. Conservation fascism. Lot of money in it you know!
Good luck again.
Heathland restoration
Re: Heathland restoration
#1729: Left wing & brainwashed apparently #1727 - Heathland restoration
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Re: Jilly H
I totally agree it is truly an act of VANDALISM .RIP Trees x
Re: Heathland restoration
#1729: Left wing & brainwashed apparently #1727 - Heathland restoration
You are brain washed if you are thinking like this !!!!
Heathland vandalism
I read that oaks are under threat and that more trees need to be planted; they've felled a lot of healthy trees here. I don't think these people have any real feeling for the countryside.
Whatever value ‘English Nature’ has placed on this site must be weighed against the value placed upon it by countless people local and visiting from further afield who now mourn the loss of a wonderful country area full of many species of trees. We walkers and users of the common are utterly devastated and heartbroken to have lost such a wonderful natural environment and been left with a desolate baron mess.
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Re: Conveyance is a fraud!!!!!
#1726: steve mccarron - Conveyance is a fraud!!!!!
The conveyance is a reciept only
The 'goods' would be the title.
The church of england do not just 'lose' titles as any normal person would not.
The title implies a lineage of owners. At some point the 'assumed' owner, or thief would be apparent.
The defifnition of a 'common' is manorial waste, land that is not wanted by the lord of the manor so it is disposed off.
The lord of the manor relinquishes any interest in that land or common.
The lord of the manor described the 'rights' commoners would have.
At hartlebury, these where, mineral, and herbage that is all
There has never been a title for any common, because of the unique creation of a common, that's what a common is, land without title, not freehold or something that would be bought or sold fee-simple.
Ownership of commons has been assumed, and any such pretence of ownership is in fact theft.
Commons are our only public access, public owned lands in the UK.
Commons comprise 5% of the land mass of England.
These commons have been fenced for the first time in one thousand years
horse riding, fences and cattle
Numerous times i've used the common to ride out over but since the fences have been put up, i've had to dismount in dangerous places for both me and my horse with no other choice to open and close gates and this combined with the long horned cattle who are unpredictable at best, never mind the unclipped horns that pose huge threats to all if caught in a stand off or stampede...
No matter how careful you are out there, these cattle are a hazard to all who use the place and one day some one will get seriously injured, worse cases killed. I've already heard of stand offs by walkers, dog walkers and fellow riders who have had several near misses and suffered minor injuries
the land could easily be grazed and managed by goats or sheep of a more native breed than these highly unpredictable cows, although few in number their sheer size and weight are not something to mess with nor are they native to the common in ANY stages of it's history!
so why are they there??!
the fences are also a problem, used to keep cattle in but they cut the common up making access trickier than normal and restricting it greatly for all, never mind the disabled who i fear may now be put off visiting due to access problems.
Not to mention the cattle rubbing the fences of neibouring property and that of the common thus damaging it, yet the council will not pay for the damage when it was THEIR stock that damaged the property in the first place and they make the owners pay for the repair of BOTH the commons fence as well as their own.
what once was a lovely place for all to enjoy has now become the playground of the council to tear up ad destroy at their leisure!
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Conveyance is a fraud!!!!!
Further to your enquiry, I have checked with the Church Commissioners property department who confirm the information I have previously provided to you regarding their ownership of the common, deriving from their ownership of the Lordship of the manor of Hartlebury. They have also stated that there would have been a statutory declaration in 1968 confirming their ownership and not a title deed.
As well as the conveyance I've already provided you with a copy of free of charge we do have a file on Hartlebury Common which you are more than welcome to inspect at our reading room - details are on our Lambeth Palace Library website - http://www.lambethpalacelibrary.org/content/cerc.
Regards
Declan Kelly
Church of England Record Centre